Talking DeFi with COO of FCF Pay Joe Parkin - Transcripts

May 25, 2022

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Episode Summary:

In this episode of the Crypto Breakdown, I talk to COO of FCF Pay Joe Parkin about:

  • Revenue Sharing Tokens
  • Crypto Poker
  • How to do your own due diligence

Guest:

Joe Parkin

COO of FCF Pay

Telegram: @joeeoj

https://linktr.ee/fcf_bsc

Host:

Joe Dewitt Follow at: https://twitter.com/metabitz

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Hey there everybody happy Wednesday. And welcome back to another episode of the crypto breakdown. My name is Joe Dewitt, and today with me, I have a COO over at FCF pay, Joe Parkin, Joe, how are we doing to start things off? For some listeners out there who may not be familiar with the platform, if you want to just go ahead and talk about what FCF pay actually is.


So fcf pay is a crypto payment gateway. In the case of e-commerce we take the. We work in a similar kind of way to pay panel Stripe. However, we're slightly different in that we can be integrated with point of sale terminals in brick and mortar stores, or also, and do you do crypto payments and Fiat payments, or are you sticking with crypto payments at the moment?


Or how does that work? The core products CFP is crypto. However as FCFA is built with an API that can connect to anything We have a crypto on-ramp at the beginning and off-ramp at the other end. So although we are processing crypto, we do offer integrated systems for people to be able to use their credit cards, to buy crypto and send it directly to the merchant.


Okay, cool. And for the merchant to off-ramp directly to their. Bank account. We're currently doing this with . We have a partnership with them. They're one of the biggest players in the feared cryptocurrency space, working this with the larger exchanges. And I'm not too familiar with the FCF token. So how does that work?


Is there any like unique utility with it, or if you wanna talk about the dividends or how those come into play? So the unique thing about our token is that it's a revenue sharing. It's not a utility token as such, because it doesn't actually do anything within the system. Its sole function is to distribute dividends to its holders.


So we have 10% to economics on buys and sells. Half of that is distributed as BNB dividends amongst holders. And then also two thirds of every transaction fee through. MTFP also goes back to the community to hold it. FCF token in the form of one third, directly as evidence and one third as a, an automated buy back in burn.


Cool. Is it available on other trading platforms or is it strictly through MTFA? They're actually. It's on pancake swap so you can buy it by its own pancreas. Awesome. Exactly. But also on L bang can hot bits as well. We're our roadmap includes larger exchanges further down the line.


However, not very much further down the line. However, to be perfectly honest, the sensible thing to do is to hold a in, in a wallet, in a defy wallet, because that way you get your. Exactly. It would be a shame to probably on a, an exchange. Yeah, exactly. And then you're not receiving that that, that dividend payment.


Exactly. Moving down the road, does FCF have any sort of plans to pivot or move into a sort of an NFT project or any sort of NFT utility down the road? Are you just sticking with the way things are now? Or has that been in the talks a little bit? We actually don't really have.


Really? Yes. We have a project called French fellas. They are 2000 hand drawn French bulldogs and they. They actually have a utility, which is coming in into play within a few weeks at most, which is, which ties into another project that we have, which is FCF poker soon to become FCF casino.


So a full web three poker room, which is life. You can go to FCF, polka.com right now and play we process the payments through FEFP in order to buy you. To buy your poker chips which by the way, I didn't mention the fact that FCF pay is multi chain where we can process payments from just about every 10 you can imagine and tokens they're off.


So yeah part of the rake from FCF poker goes to French filler, French fillers. Awesome. And the French fellows. Are they on the Ethereum network or Selana or which networks? Yeah, the tokens on BSC. Okay. However we opted to we opted to launch the because that's where the majority of exactly.


Yeah. Yeah. I see the investors and the good projects over on the Ethereum. No. For now, at least for the time being yeah. Moving forward to onboarding kind of new investors into crypto and getting away from traditional finance into defy. Is there anything that comes to your head when thinking about how maybe some best ways for people like us to onboard new people into crypto or defy?


One of the things that comes hand-in-hand with doing what we're doing, which is. Forming a bridge between traditional commerce and the crypto sphere is education. By speaking to companies about, so business owners about using FCF pay to process crypto payments we also educate them about crypto as a whole, and they very often end up getting interested in investing in.


In encrypt. So once they realize that it's not as scary and underground as they think it's because often mainstream media does tend to push it one way or the other. Yeah. It makes it look bad. In fact I just got off a call four minutes before I got something with you, but it was about local economic redevelopment and things like this.


And. The conversation went from not really understanding what crypto is to asking how they can invest. Once they start to understand it better. They realize that it's just digital money and it's the blockchain is a way of having it's as simple as a way of having one copy of a disallowed asset.


Exactly. And then you transfer it from one person to another, and then that list is shared on lots of computers in the same way as. As in web servers have multiple copies of the same all around the world to make it work better. Yeah. And what you said earlier, like taking, getting rid of that fear or that that's scary aspect of crypto where if you don't necessarily have that knowledge and you're not quite aware of, these assets and what they really do, it seems really scary at first.


And it's hard to think about investing in it. And once you have someone, break it down in a simplistic way, it's. It becomes a lot more user-friendly because like you said, it's simplicity and it's in its most simple form. It is a single ownership of a digital asset and it's, once people start to understand it, it's oh, you know what?


That makes sense. I can get behind that exactly. Start to, they start to even understand some of the more. What could be seen as more complex ideas of using FTEs for like the deeds of property or something? It sounds insane. Oh, hang on. No, that's much easier than going down to an office and signing and stamping a piece of paper and filing.


Yup. Yup. And Mo a lot of the people that I interviewed too, they say a lot of the same thing, like a lot of the CEOs or CEOs, and they're talking about all these different dynamic aspects of NFTs and how we can use them in the future. And any other person who's not really in this space, you couldn't really comprehend using an NFT or, nonrefundable token in that.


But, we're looking at it. We're just scratching the surface at this utility and it's yeah. It's going to be around for quite some time. Crazy. Th these people, I was just speaking to that after a while they said speaking about FCF token, they said they were like, so basically it's stocks.


I said no, it's not stock. It's better than stocks because you get your dividends every 24 hours. You can decide to increase or decrease your position at any time of the day, any day of the year any time own, you can see aspect, you don't get that with stocks, but we kind of form a w in our cases, the FCF family, and it's a genuine community and whatever everybody gets behind this, and you can information flows.


More freely. You can find out about what's going on in real time, which you don't get when you're investing in the stock market. Yeah. That is absolutely one of the best things in crypto too. Is the community just no matter where you are, where wherever you're investing, if you're in the space, you are going to be a part of some community and it's for the most part.


It's usually pretty awesome. Yeah. That's the thing that today, what I'm most excited today was the most excited about is. Something that we're planning to do with our donation widget because using the community aspect of cretae our slogan is empowering cripsy, and we want to bring the whole crypto sphere together to, to take crypto into the mainstream.


And one of the ways we're going to be doing that is by trying to get everybody gets everybody together to back good causes. How we're not just our community, we're an amazing community and makes them, do some good in the world. And we've got brilliant project going on which I'll send you information about as soon as I can.


I would love to. Yeah. I'd love to look into that a little bit. It's going to be a big one. That's awesome. Finally, this is my last question. This is one I like to ask everyone at the end of our interviews. So my favorite one to ask personally for you, I just want to know how you got introduced or how you started into the world.


Yeah, I'm just a general purpose nerd. I'm a nerd about everything, everything I learned about, then I have to dive into it as deeply as possible. Weirdly I learned about blockchain many years ago. But I didn't invest. I I found it interesting. I started up, started off by thinking about these kinds of deeper uses for it about.


Now how you could use it for tracking complex data flows and things like this. I was thinking about it and for such a long time, I'm thinking about what it could mean for the world economy. If we were to create a blockchain based economy with peer to peer. Transactions, et cetera, but I was so busy thinking about it and doing other things.


I know I didn't invest. I only started investing like two, three about two and a half years ago. But when I do something, I go all in. So then obviously, then I quite quickly I found that I had a knack for it. And also that I'm quite good at finding good projects and actually starting FCF as an investor.


And then. It goes on very well with John the founder and you know what, come on board. And here I am, because one of the things is that both John and myself, we were business people we've both run businesses before this. John didn't. John had never had any another crypto project before he got into into starting.


Partly because apart from his vision to take her to payments to the mainstream, it was also because he was fed up for getting rubbed.


He was going in. If I make a project, I can't run myself as exactly. In a way he has shrugged himself because he's invested a lot of his own money into it. That's how that works w we can work on rewriting. Yeah, so going forward. So the concept of re drugging or something, which I find funny, but that's one of the things that people that scares people about crypto is getting bragged.


And so everybody should remember, that's only going to happen to you if you're being greedy. Exactly.


Oh. And people do not do their research. They really do not. It's. As we like to say here, as we like to say here on crypto breakdown, never financial advice, always do your own research, but actually do your own research, doing your own research. Isn't saying, do you have a, do you have an audit?


Yes. Are you yes. I'm going to buy. That's what they do, honestly, but then on the other hand, there'll be. There are projects which do end up setting out to be a scam or just having nothing behind them whatsoever beyond the logo and the promise of a staking platform, for example, or the promise of a swap, the promise of community.


Yeah. But then but then they're getting hundreds of millions of dollars, mark. Yeah. Whereas our project and other projects that are actually doing something remarkable often take a lot longer to get going. I have to say our project had a huge hype run-up before products were built. And now we're coasting along at the moment while we're finishing product development and everything else and waiting to announce some of the big names that we've got.


We've got some board. It's amazing that before we proved that we can do what we've done. There was more excitement than having actually done it. There's some certain things that are somewhat confusing. Yep. I swear that is a big thing in crypto. When you have promises or you it's before a project launches or a project is being built.


People always like it more than when a project actually delivers on the utility that they say they will. That's when, people were kinda like. I'll go find something else. And also you have that aspect of culture to really, you could build a project with so much utility that does so much good.


If it doesn't gain traction amongst, the right investors or it doesn't sit right with the, crypto traders or NFT traders. It's not going to get that traction that these other projects will. And it's, that's the crazy part is that it's so much culture involved in these trading of NFTs.


Absolutely. I've got to the stage that I can look at a chart and kind of almost here. Yeah. Oh, and then it's got this group psychology of it's fascinating. It's fascinating to watch, but but th the long-term way to wait to make money and critters to do your research. That's how you make money. You find a good sort of project and you just, or some good sort of projects, and then you stick to them and you keep up to date.


It's not, if you're lazy about. Like with anything, if you're not going to make a good living, if you're lazy, let's say, Hey man, you might get lucky. You might win a lottery. But generally speaking, your chances of success are much higher. If you actually put the hours in, go and listen to the AMS, go read the white paper and the news and the updates, the roadmap, if it gets.


I'm going to back off of that and say, it's not even enough to just do your own research. You have to continue doing your own research. You have to, you have to look at what's happening currently in the project and how they're integrating with other things and whatnot. Yeah. It doesn't stop.


That's the thing that is hard to understand is it's always got to keep we've we, we finished our 2022 roadmap and we just. We're nearly finished. So we focused a new one, which covers the next 12 to 18 months. And we've already in the first week or two weeks of publishing that we've already announced a couple of things with, for example Zapier, let's say we've got Zapier and make.com integrations.


Already done the roadmap. Wow. That's just me. And there's something else coming out, which isn't on the roadmap as well. Not yet. Not yet. It's something related to the charity thing. Okay. All right. Fair enough. Fair enough. It was however, a lot of this people that keep up to date with ni. Would have seen some rumblings on social media.


She knew in one hand and Some things that I've said I'm really bad at keeping my mouth closed. John, the CEO is even worse than me. He'll just be like, in fact that's why one of the reasons we publish a roadmap for the next 18 months just to get it out there. We're all rubbish keeping secrets. So let's just but I've already let loose some information on the telegram group about some of the public figures involved with. With the charity thing. Hint, hint, if you want to hear here's some more FCF news, go join their community, get on their telegram you on their discord came from you. I've said it sounds a lot more credible.


We're always in there. We're always active. We're always happy to answer questions, but not just the team, but the community are incredibly well-informed we have we have a thing called the panic filter on the telegram group. If people say the word panic, then it brings up a message reminding people to keep calm that cryptos.


And just after we had this big hype runoff and then the, correction afterwards, people made ridiculous amounts of profit. It went from the token was launched on the 20 on the 19th of August last year. It went from 20 K up to over 70 million. You can imagine the amount of profit people we've made.


So obviously it has to correct. We're currently sitting around five, okay. Five, 5 million, but even twins to 5 million, which is one another thing. Advice to people that get into crypto don't look at what the peak was, look at where you were and where you are now. If you've gone up 50 times and then you're sitting at 20.


You didn't lose 30 times you meet people and unrealized gains on not gains unrealized losses, not losses people. Don't get this one either. Anyhow, what am I talking about? That's the beauty of the podcast, the panic filter. We haven't yet. I realized the other day that has been exactly no panic during this.


You know what people call crypto crash. Yeah. Start of the bear market or whatever. Yeah, everyone's fine. Everyone's pretty. I think for most people, I think for a lot of traders, especially myself included, it did start to feel a little unnatural at a point. When you're talking, soup, when staple center is getting bought out by, crypto.com and we got crypto.com arena and Sophie arena and everything, like it's kinda, it kinda felt like we were getting into a place where crypto was just everywhere.


It was every Superbowl commercial. We were reaching a point of, so I think for a lot of traders or people that have been around for awhile felt a little natural to be where we are right now. But that doesn't mean it's not scary, but yeah, I definitely agree. I don't think there's as much panic as you would expect.


Really? No, I think like back in 2017, I feel like a lot worse or even the COVID I think assuming that potentially there are certain people that may not have, sorry. There are some conspiracy theories out there that there's market manipulation is what I'm trying to say. Now, if that would be true, then that could be triggered by having a crypto com and things up on sports stadiums.


And they could say, oh, this is getting a bit hard. I think I might sell off a load of this. Definitely could potentially just, I don't want to get into that kind of thing. I think there's always there's always an element. There's a grain of truth in any, anything. However, the crypto community now has the confidence that this is the time to buy more.


It's fine. Just normal. Normal folks are just happy to keep growing the bucks because everybody knows where we're going well, and it's that aspect of, the technology isn't going anywhere. It's not that developers are gonna stop building, it just because the, these present price of crypto is going down, it doesn't mean that any of these projects are gonna stagnate or we're not going to start building even more.


So that's the aspect you got to look at. It is there's gonna be more building probably in a time like this, and you'll have that rebound and, however long. Your average traders starts being like all this building was here the whole time. I'm glad at the moment that things are quiet because it means we can get on with our work without the tokens not pumping.


It means that we're, we can get on with building stuff a little bit, because otherwise all the adrenaline's going and know, but this is what, this is much more productive at the moment. We're just good. Fun. There's no way, like another indication that things are not going anywhere is that we in the payment space, we are nonstop this morning.


And I finished finished up a proposal for a huge real estate development company in Dubai. This afternoon I've been speaking to people in the public's fear regarding past, past. Speaking about was regarding regulatory conditions in order to allow blockchain based businesses to flourish.


We are in contact with huge payment service providers. So there's so much is unbelievable. And that's. No before, before the start of the next boardroom. Now, once that starts picking up the it's just going to, it's going to be the absolute ridiculous, which is why we're busy building.


Yes. You've got to build now. You got to build now while you can. Absolutely. Now you can't think that the crypto is going anywhere when the news is like right now, if. Literally, this is a real news story I saw on the BBC news was pub in Birmingham, except stowage going for payment. This is only about three months ago.


I saw this news story. Yeah, that's one company, one small business, small local business accepting one cryptocurrency. And it's on the BBC news. What are the most famous news outlets on the planet? Now it's gone up a little bit in terms of, it will be news about Gucci or what was said. There was another one and I could have a fashion brand now accepts it's serum, crate, Ethereum, and Bitcoin as payment in there because people like hanging out for half an hour until your payments cleared in order to back.


But it's all over the news, but mainstream news. I'm talking to household. I'm really watching my word sometimes, but I took it to household brand companies about rolling out critic payments. And they want to do it for marketing purposes to start with, which tells you exactly that crypto payment is in the zeitgeists as part of the fabric of society.


The moment people are people generally expected to happen and people that start doing it now are seen as innovators. Absolutely. Yeah. So yeah, we're in the right space. I'm trying to think of that for a while that, these bigger companies are going to start to slowly, except a few larger blue-chip cryptos and then all the smaller companies all these big fortune 500 companies and be like, Hey they're accepting crypto and they're making a lot of money. We have to do it too. If it's popular and we're going to stay afloat and whatnot. And then that's kinda how it all starts because you got to adapt in order to survive.


And people love crypto there's two over $2 trillion worth of value increases. And companies can make a choice, whether they want to accept some of it or not.


Why would you not? I know it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. And then we're doing things to make it as easy as possible as well. So with the on-ramping and off ramping and all of this stuff the, our API connecting to to accounting systems, to billing systems, invoicing. Et cetera, et cetera.


We've even built a system with multiple user types and what it's nearly it's not live yet, but it will be coming out soon. I can talk about everything though, cause it's all on the roadmap. So we're, we've got multiple different user types and Kind of agent accounts and sub-accounts allowing companies to build kind of complex payment flows, like automatic payment of commissions to salespeople or having certain one type of account for somebody that works as a cashier.


And then you'd say you wouldn't say cashier would use a teller at checkout.


So I'm going to check out mine wouldn't have access to withdraw funds, for example. So that's definitely there. So we're building all these things in or another. Another case would be like a marketplace type type website where you have multiple vendors and they sell their things. And then the website takes a commission while we were building things into the platform.


So that, that can all be processed automatically. And then. And then people can choose to transfer the money out individually. Each one of them, wherever they are, they can transfer it out as critique or they can offer amp. But as our off-ramp is through third parties they would offer. Via a local bank.


Okay. If you see what's the mean, and we're even at the moment we have queen of five, but we're speaking to a multitude of other on-ramps and off-ramps players, meaning that people will be able to choose which one works best for where they are. They can get the best deal for them. So know, imagine that, everything just being done, all the money gets sent off everywhere, and then each person just claims their parts of it.


However they choose to claim it. Flowing funds. That's just that's good for the economy as a whole know. That's awesome. That sounds like there's a lot of stuff. A lot of exciting stuff over at FCFA. We're gonna have to check out. Yes, I do. I think you should definitely check it out. Yeah, absolutely.


For any other listeners that want to out there Joe, what is the best way to, to join your guys' community? Would you say for any listeners out there that may want to get involved in any telegram or discord? I would say our Twitter accounts are very active the main ones are FCF pay and the other one is FCF BSC.


If you search for friends, connection, finance, or CF, you'll find it or FCFA hashtag and then we're on telegram. That's where we live on telegram basically. There's that? There's somebody there pretty much 24, 24 7. And I would also say it's a. Try FCF poker. If you have crypto and you like poker, it's the place to go.


We actually have some tournament's going on. We have one this weekend. I might have to check that out myself. I didn't know. That was the part of the gig. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. It's fun. Let me know. We'll speak. I'll I'll have to get that. What we have this weekend, or we have a bouncy hunt, so we've put a bouncy on our CEO's head.


So whoever eliminates them, gets an extra prize. And we have a pro poker playing streamer called. Who was in our tournament last week and he's also got a bounty on his head because he, oh, that's awesome. Wow. We're going to be doing some great stuff over there. We're going to do into a project tournament.


So like we're going to do FCF versus Crock-Pot who are one of our partners or she, but you were against. Yeah, they can send in a representative into the lonely people. We'll try to make it says only tokens that we have listed on FCFA. That's another thing, if there are other crypto projects out there, get in touch with us because there's always something we can do to collaborate.


So that could be listing on, by listing a token on FCFA that makes you, that makes your token usable currency that people. Used to buy and sell stuff, all services. Absolutely. Absolutely. It's probably all the time we have today, Joe. Thank you so much for coming on the show, man.


I had a great talk with you. Likewise. Thank you. Thank you. It was a pleasure speaking to another joke. It is for all the listeners out there you heard Joe, you can go follow them on Twitter at FTF pay or FCF BSE. Was it? Yes. Correct. Joe you have a great day, man. Thanks again, to be on the show quickly. I just want to say that this is not financial advice.


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Hey everybody my name is joe Dewitt and this is the crypto breakdown on here. I'll be getting you caught up on everything you need to know regarding crypto, any relevant news, anything that you missed. Don't worry about it. We'll cover all that good stuff in the morning before you go out and start trading. Hey there everybody happy Wednesday and welcome back to another episode of the crypto breakdown. My name is joe, do it and today with me, I have C. O over at FcF page oh park in joe. How are we doing to start things off for some listeners out there who may not be familiar with the platform if you want to just go ahead and um talk about what FcF pay actually is. So FcF pay is a crypto payment gateway um in the case of e commerce we take the, we work in a similar kind of way to Paypal or stripe however, were slightly different in that we can be integrated with point of sale terminals in brick and mortar stores also. And do you do crypto payments and fiat payments or you kind of sticking with crypto payments at the moment or how does that work? The core product FcF pay is crypto however, um as FcF pay is built with an API that can connect to anything um we have a crypto on ramp at the beginning and off ramp at the other end. So although we are processing crypto, we do offer integrated systems for people to be able to use their credit cards to buy crypto and send it directly to the merchant and for the merchant to to off ramp directly to their their bank account.

We're currently doing this with coin if I we have a partnership with them, they're one of the biggest players in the fiat crypto crypto working with the larger exchanges and I'm not too familiar with the FcF token. So how does that work? Is there any like unique utility with it or if you wanna talk about the dividends or how how those come into play? So the unique thing about our token is that it's a revenue sharing token. It's not a utility token as such because it doesn't actually do anything within the system. Its sole function is to distribute, distribute dividends to its holders so we have 10% to economics on buys and sells half of that is distributed as BMW dividends amongst holders and then also two thirds of every transaction fee through FCF pay also goes back to the community to holders of FCF token in the form of 1/3 directly as evidence and 1/3 as a an automated buy back and burn. Cool. Um Is it available on other trading platforms or is it strictly through the FDA? No actually um it's on pancake swap so you can buy exactly but also on L bank and hot bits as well. We're our roadmap includes larger exchanges further down the line. However, not very much further down the line. However to be perfectly honest the sensible thing to do is to hold in in a wallet defy wallet because that way you get your dividends?

Exactly, it would be a shame to buy on an exchange and not exactly and then you're not receiving that, that dividend payment exactly. Um Moving, moving down the road, does FcF have any sort of plans to kind of pivot or move into a sort of N. F. T. Project or any sort of N. F. T. Utility down the road or you kind of just um sticking with the way things are now has happened in the talks a little bit. We actually already have an NFC project. Yes, so we have a project called french fellas. They are 2000 hand drawn um french bulldogs and they they actually have a utility which is coming in into play within a few weeks at most, which is which ties into another project that we have, which is FcF poker soon to become FcF casino. So a full web three poker room which is live, you can go to fcF poker dot com right now and and play, we process the payments through FcF pay in order to buy your to buy your poker chips which by the way, I didn't mention the fact that FcF pay is multi chain.

We process payments from just about every everything you can, you can imagine and tokens thereof. Um So yeah, part of the rake from FcF poker goes to french fellow french fellas holders awesome. And the french fellows, are they on the ethereum network or Selena or which um yeah, the tokens on BSC, however, we opted to um we opted to launch the french fellows on on the theory because that's where the majority of of Exactly yeah, the investors and the good projects over on the ethereum network for now, at least exactly for now for the time being, moving forward to like um onboarding kind of new investors into crypto and getting away from, you know, traditional financing to defy. Um Is there anything that comes your head when thinking about how maybe some best ways for people like us to onboard new people into crypto or defy. Mhm. Well, one of the things that comes hand in hand with doing what we're doing, which is kind of forming a bridge between traditional commerce and the crypto sphere is education. So, oh, by speaking to companies about business owners about using FCF pay to process crypto payments. We also educate them about crypto as a whole and they very often end up getting interested in investing in in in in in crypto once they realize that it's not as scary and underground as they think it is because often mainstream media does tend to kind of push it one way or the other. Yeah, it kind of makes it look bad. I just got off a call four minutes before I got on with you, but it was about kind of local economic redevelopment and things like this, and the conversation went from not really understanding what crypto is to asking how they can invest once they they kind of start to understand it better and they realize that it's just digital money. The Blockchain is a way of having, it's as simple as a way of having one copy of a digital asset and then you transfer it from one person to another and then that list is shared on lots of computers in the same way as amazon web servers have copies of the same thing, you know, it's all around the world to make it work. Yeah and what you said like kind of taking, getting rid of that, like fear that like you know that that's scary aspect of crypto where if you don't necessarily have that knowledge and you're not quite aware of, you know, these assets and what they really do, it seems really scary at first and you know, it's hard to think about investing in it and once you have someone, you know, break it down in a simplistic way, it's kind of, you know, it becomes a lot more user friendly because like you said, it's simplicity and you know, it's in its most simple form, it is a single ownership of a digital asset and it's once people start to understand it, it's like oh that you know that makes sense, I can get behind that.

Exactly. They start they start to even understand some of the more what could be seen as more complex ideas of using N. F. T. S. For like the deeds of property or something. It sounds insane hang on that's much easier than going down to an office and signing and stamping a piece of paper and filing, I just transfer it, yep yep. And a lot of the people that I interviewed two, they say a lot of the same thing like a lot of the you know Ceos are ceo and they're talking about all these different dynamic aspects of N. F. T. S. And how we can use them in the future and you know any other person who's not really in this space.

You know you couldn't really comprehend using an N. F. T. Or you know non fungible token in that way. But you know we're kind of looking at we're just scratching the surface of this utility and it's yeah it's going to be around for quite some time. Absolutely crazy stuff. These people are just speaking to that after a while they said speaking about FcF token they said they were like so basically it's stocks I said well no it's not not quite but it's better than stocks because you get your you get your dividends Every 24 hours. You know you can decide to increase or decrease your position at any time of the day any day any day of the year at any time. Mhm. Community aspect, you know, you don't get that with stocks, you know, but we kind of form of uh in our case is the FcF family and it's a genuine community where everybody gets behind this and you can, information flows a lot more more freely. You can find out about what's going on in real time, which you don't get when you're investing in the stock market. Yeah, that is absolutely one of the best things in crypto too, is the community just, and no matter where you are, where wherever you're investing, if you're in the space, you're going to be a part of some community, and it's, it's for the most part, it's usually pretty awesome.

Yeah, that's the thing that today, what I'm most excited today, what I'm most excited about is um something that we're planning to do with our donation widget, because using the community aspect of crypto, our slogan is empowering Crypto, we want to kind of bring the whole crypto sphere together to take crypto into the mainstream. And one of the ways we're going to be doing that is by trying to get everybody get everybody together to back good causes, show how we're not just a community were an amazing community and makes them, you know, do some good in the world and we've got, we've got brilliant project going on, which I'll send you information about as soon as I can. Yeah, yeah, I'd love to look into that little bit. It's gonna be a big one. That's awesome. Finally, it's my last question. This is the one I like to, I like to ask everyone at the end of our interviews. Um It's my favorite one to ask personally for you. I just want to know how you kind of got introduced or how you started into the like defy world. I'm a nerd. I'm just a general purpose nerd. I'm a nerd about everything, everything I learned about that, I have to kind of dive into it as deeply as possible.

So weirdly, I learned about Blockchain many years ago. Um but I didn't invest, I could have, I found it interesting and I started up, started off by thinking about these kind of deeper um, uses for it, about how you could use it for like tracking complex data flows and things, things like this. And I was kind of and I was thinking about it and and for such a long time and thinking about what it could mean for the world economy if we were to create a Blockchain based economy with peer to peer transactions, etcetera. But I was so busy thinking about it and doing other things that I didn't invest, I only started investing uh like two or three about 2.5 years ago. Um But when I do something, I go, I go all in. So then I then I quite quickly I found out I had a knack for it. And also that I'm quite good at finding good projects and actually started off as an investor and then goes on, goes on very well with with john the founder, I told them your vision and they're like, you know what, come on board and here I am. Because one of the things is that both john and myself were business people were both run businesses before this, john john had never had another crypto project before. He, he got into uh, into starting the project partly because apart from his vision to take payments to the mainstream, it was also because he was fed up with getting rubbed. It was he was going, if I make a project, I can't rob myself. Exactly. Well, in a way he kind of has rubbed himself because he's invested a lot of his own money into that kind of we're gonna work on re rubbing him yeah, things going forward.

So that the concept of drugging and something that I find funny. But that's kind of one of the things that people that scares people about crypto is getting drugged and so everybody, everybody should remember that's only going to happen to you if you're being greedy and you're not doing research and you're not doing your research, people do not do their research. Yeah, they really do not. It's unbelievable. Uh as you like to stay here as you like to stay here in crypto breakdown. Never financial advice. always do your own research, but actually do do your own research and doing your own research isn't saying do you have do you have an audit? Yes, our UK way seed? Yes, I'm going to buy, buy, buy, buy, that's what they do honestly. But then, but then on the other hand, there are projects which do end up uh turning out to be a scam or just having nothing behind them whatsoever beyond the logo and the promise of a staking platform, for example, or the promise of a swap of community. The promise of community. Yeah, but then, um, but then they're getting hundreds of millions of dollars market cap.

Whereas our project and other other projects that are actually doing something remarkable often take a lot longer to get going. You know, I have to say our, our project had a huge hype run up. Yeah. Before products were built and now we're kind of coasting along at the moment where we're finishing product development and everything else and waiting to announce some of the big names that we've got with, we've got on board. Um, but it's amazing that before we proved that we can do what we've done, there was more more excitement than having actually done it, you know, there's certain things that are somewhat confusing, yep, I swear that that is a big thing in crypto when you have promises or you it's before the project launches or project is being built, People always like it more and when a project actually delivers on the utility that they say they will, that's when, you know, people are kind of like, well I'll go find something else. And also you have that aspect of culture to really, you know, you could build a project with so much utility that does so much good if it doesn't gain traction amongst, you know, the right investors or doesn't, you know, sit right with, you know, crypto traders or N. F. T traders. It's not going to get that traction that these other projects will and it's, that's kind of the crazy part is that it's so much culture involved in these trading of FTS. Absolutely. I've got to the stage that I can look at the chart and, and, and kind of almost hear people, it's kind of this group psychology, it's fascinating, fascinating to watch. But so, but the long term way to make money and critters to do your research.

That's, that's how you make money, you find a good sort of project and you just, or some good sort of projects and then you stick to them and you keep up to date. It's not if you're lazy about it. Like with anything, if you're not going to make a good living, If you're lazy, you might get lucky, you might win a lottery. But generally speaking, your chances of success are much higher. If you actually put the hours in, go and listen to the ams, go and read the white paper and the news and the updates, the road map. I'm gonna back off of that and say, you know, it's not even enough to just do your own research. You have to continue doing your own research. You have to, you know, you have to look at what's happening currently in the project and how they're integrating with other things and whatnot. Yeah, it doesn't stop. That's the, that's the thing that is hard to understand. You always got to keep, we finished our 2,022 roadmap. We just, we just published a new one.

We already finished. So we published a new one which, which covers the next 12 to 18 months and we've already in the first week, first week or two weeks of publishing that we've already announced a couple of things. For example, You know, Zakia, it's a, so we, we've got Zap OEA and make dot com integrations for already done that and something else coming out. Which isn't on the roadmap that we can't hear about. Not yet. Not yet. It's something related to the charity thing. Okay, alright, fair enough, fair enough. But however, a lot of this people that keep up to date with news would have seen some rumblings on social media, she knew on one hand and some things that I've said, I'm really bad at keeping my mouth closed, john the ceo is even worse than me. Just like, in fact, that's why, what's one of the reasons we published a roadmap for the next 18 months. You know, we're all rubbish at keeping secrets, but I've already let loose some information on the telegram group about some of the public figures involved with the, with the charity thing, hint, hint, if you want to hear, hear some more FcF news, go join their community and get on the telegram, get on their discord came from you. That sounds a lot more credible.

We're always in there were always active, always happy to answer questions, but not just the team, the community are incredibly well well informed. Um, we, we have a, we have a thing called the panic filter on the telegram group where if people say the word panic, then it brings up a message Reminding people to keep calm and just after we had this big hype run up and then, and then the correction afterwards, people made ridiculous amounts of profit. It went from the token was launched on the 20, Um, on 19 August last year and It went from 20 k up to over 70 million. You can imagine the amount of profit people were made. Um, so obviously has has the correct, we're currently sitting around five, Okay, million. But even 2085 million, Which is another thing, advice to people that get into crypto, don't look at what the peak was, look at where you were and where you are now if you've gone up 50 times and then you're sitting at 20 times, you didn't lose 30 times. People don't. Um and unrealized gains are not gains, unrealized losses are not losses. People don't get this one either anyhow. What are we talking about? That's the beauty of the podcast. We haven't yet, I realized the other day that there has been exactly no panic during this, you know what people call crypto crash start of the bear market.

Yeah, everyone's fine, everyone's chilled. I mean, I think, I think for most people, I think for a lot of traders, especially myself included, it did start to feel a little unnatural at a point. I mean when you're talking, you know when staples center is getting bought out by, you know, crypto dot com and as we got crypto dot com arena and Sophie arena and everything like it's kind of, it kind of felt like we were getting into a place where crypto was just everywhere. It was every super bowl commercial, it was, you know, we're kind of reaching a point of, so I think for a lot of traders or people that have been around for a while kind of felt a little natural to be where we are right now, but that doesn't mean it's not scary, but yeah, I definitely agree. I don't think there's much panic as you would expect really. No, I think back in 2017, a lot worse or even the covid, I think assuming um that potentially there are certain people that may, Yeah, I have, sorry. There's, there are some conspiracy theories out there that there's market manipulation is what I'm trying to say now. If that would be true, then that could be triggered by having crypto dot com and things up on sports stadiums and they could say, oh, this is getting a bit out of hand. I think I might sell off a load of this could potentially just, you know, I don't want to get into that kind of thing. I think there's, there's, there's always an element, there's a grain of truth in any anything, anything. However, the crypto community now has the confidence that this is the time to buy more. It's fine.

Just normal, normal folks are just happy to, happy to keep growing their bags because everybody knows where we're going well. And it's that aspect of, you know, the technology isn't going anywhere. It's not, it's not that developers gonna stop building. You know, it's just because the, the present price of, you know, crypto is going down doesn't mean that any of these projects are going to stagnate or we're not gonna start building even more. So that's the aspect, you gotta look at it, there's gonna be more building probably in a time like this and you'll have that rebound and, you know, however long where your, your average trader starts being like, well all this building was here the whole time. I'm kind of glad at the moment that things are quiet because it means that we can get on with our work. Yeah. Without while the tokens not pumping, it means that we can get on with building stuff a little bit because the adrenaline's going and, but this is much more productive at the moment, which is good, but there's no way like, another indication that things are not going anywhere is that we in the payment space, we are nonstop this morning. Um, and I finished finish up a proposal for a huge, um, real estate development company in Dubai. Uh, this afternoon, I've been speaking to people in the public sphere regarding, part part of what I was speaking, speaking about was regarding, uh, you know, regulatory conditions in order to, to allow Blockchain based businesses to flourish. Um, we're in contact with huge payment service providers. Um, so there's so much that is, it's unbelievable.

And that's now now, before, before the start of the next bull run and once that starts picking up the, it's just gonna, it's gonna be, it's gonna be absolutely ridiculous. Which is why you gotta, you gotta build now, you can absolutely, you can't, you can't think that the crypto is going anywhere when the news is like, right now, if one literally, this is a real, a real news story. I saw on the BBC news was pub in Birmingham accept Bitcoin for payment. This is only about three months ago I saw this news story, that's one company, one small business, small local business accepting one Cryptocurrency and it's on, it's on the BBC news, one of the most famous news outlets on the planet. You see now it's gone up a little bit in terms of, it will be news about Gucci or there was another one, a fashion brand now accept ethereum crazy ethereum and Bitcoin as payment because people like hanging out for half an hour until your payments cleared with the handbag, but it's all over the news, but mainstream news, you know, I'm talking to you household, I really watch my words sometimes, but I'm talking to household brand companies about rolling out pretty payments. Um and they want to do it for marketing purposes to start with, which tells you something tells you that crypto payment is in the zeitgeist as part of the fabric of society and people are people generally expected to happen and people that start doing it now are seen as innovators. Absolutely. Um so yeah, we're in the right space. I've kind of been thinking that for a while that, you know, these bigger companies are gonna kind of start to slowly, you know, except a few larger blue chip KryptoS and then all the smaller companies are kind of gonna look at um you know, all these Big Fortune 500 companies and like, hey well they're accepting crypto and they're making a lot of money. We kind of have to do it too if it's popular and we're gonna stay afloat and whatnot. And then that's kind of how it all starts because you know you got to adapt in order to survive and people of crypto there's 2/2 trillion dollars worth of value in crypto and companies can make a choice whether they want to to accept some of it or not. Why would you not know absolutely no sense whatsoever.

And then we're doing things to make it as easy as possible as well. Um So with the on ramping and off ramping and all of all of this stuff the R. A. P. I. Connecting to to accounting systems, to building systems, invoicing systems etcetera etcetera. We've we've we've even built a system with multiple user types and where it's nearly actually is not live yet but it'll be coming out soon. I can talk about everything because it's all on the road map. Um Say we've got multiple different user types and um kind of agent accounts and sub accounts allowing companies to build kind of complex payment flows like automatic payment of commissions to sales people or having certain one type of account for somebody that works. Um As a cashier and then you say you wouldn't say cashier would you tell a check out check out um someone to check out mine wouldn't have access to withdraw funds for example, and stuff like that? So we're building all these things in another, another case would be like a marketplace type, um, type website where you have multiple vendors and they sell their things and then the website takes a commission. Well, we're building things into, into the platform so that, that can all be processed automatically.

And then, uh, and then people can choose to transfer the money out individually, each one of them wherever they are, They can transfer it out as crypto or they can off ramp. But as our off ramp is through 3rd parties they would offer, um, via a local bank. Were, even at the moment we have quantified, but we're speaking to a multitude of other suppliers, meaning that people will be able to choose which one works best for where they get the best deal for them. So, you know, imagine that, you know, everything just being done before the money gets sent off everywhere and then, and then each person just claims they're part of it, however they choose to claim it, you know, that's flowing funds. That's just that, that's good for good for the economy as a whole. Well, that's awesome. That sounds like there's a lot of stuff, a lot of exciting stuff over at SCF pay. We're gonna have to check out. I do. I think you should definitely check out absolutely for any other listeners that want to out there, joe, what is the best way to join your guys community, would you say for any, any listeners out there that may want to get involved in any telegram or discord or anything? I would say our twitter accounts are very active. So the main ones are FcF pay and the other one is F C F B S C.

If you search for french connection, finance or FcF, you'll find it or FcF pay hashtag. Uh And then we're on telegram, that's where we live on telegram, basically. There's there's somebody there uh pretty much 24 24 7 and I would also say to go and try FcF. Oka if you have crypto and you like poker, it's the it's the place to go. We actually have some tournaments going on. We have one this, this weekend. I might have to check that out myself. I didn't know that was a part of the gig. That's awesome. Yeah, it's fun. Let me let me know. We'll speak of uh more information about how to get what we have this weekend.

We have, we have a bounty bounty hunt. So we put a bounty on our ceo's head, Whoever eliminates him gets an extra prize and we have a pro poker playing streamer called Dap center who was in our tournament last week and he's he's also got a bounty on his head because we're gonna be doing some great stuff over there? We're gonna do inter project tournaments. So like we're gonna do FcF versus Croc boy who are one of our partners or you know against dog, they can send in a representative representative into the, you know, the only people try to make it only tokens that we have listed on FcF pay. That's another thing if there are other, so other crypto projects out there, get in touch with us because there's always something we can do to collaborate. Um, so that could be listing on, you know, by listing a token on FcF pay that makes your, that makes your token usable currency that people can use to buy and sell stuff. Yeah, all services. Absolutely, absolutely. Well, it's probably all the time we have today, joe. Thank you so much for coming on the show man. I had a great talk with you. Likewise, thank you always a pleasure speaking to another joke.

Right for all the listeners out there. You heard joe, you can go follow them on twitter at FcF pay or FCF BSC was it? Yes. Great, awesome. What more ways to show your good side to the world, donate plasma at a grateful center and join thousands of donors who are helping to save lives receive up to $1000. Your first month learn more at rifles plasma dot com. If your accounts payable is buried in paperwork, getting back to normal, may not sound so appealing. Automotate with avid exchange and enjoy 100% digital accounts payable with 24/7 access and security payment options. You can easily review, approve and pay your bills anytime anywhere from any device. So say goodbye to all that paperwork and hello to the ease and flexibility of automated accounts. Payable, learn more at avid exchange dot com. That's avid exchange dot com, joe you have a great day man.

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