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November 10, 2022

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Our planet is warming, and many parts of the world are not equipped to accurately predict the heat waves, hurricanes, tornadoes, wildfires and floods that are becoming more frequent and intense due to the changing climate.  Former Israeli Air Force pilot Shimon Elkabetz knows the importance of good weather forecasts — they can literally mean the difference between life and death. In 2016, he co-founded Tomorrow.io to improve the weather data available across the world.  This week on How I Built This Lab, Shimon talks with Guy about his company’s work to help businesses, governments and individuals make better decisions in response to increasingly volatile weather. Plus, Shimon recounts some of the challenges he’s faced in fundraising for ‘hard technology’ and stresses the importance of building climate change solutions that generate immediate impact. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.


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for sure so like everyone else in Israel I joined the military when I was eighteen and I joined the Air Force and after three years became a pilot and obviously as a pilot in the cockpit level the weather is probably the number one variable and the most challenging factor for every training mission every operational mission and I was super worried about whether more than multi function more than human error or more than even the enemy unfortunately I lost colleagues friends due to weather related accidents and later on when I was starting to manage operationally kind of complex situations I learned how much you know weather situations can really be the difference between success and failure obviously weather impacts the takeoff process the mission the route and of course the landing so you constantly have to evaluate your situation and the real time and expected weather

all right so you are in the military and you get interested in whether and why you're why you're a pilot did you start thinking about maybe I couldn't figure out how to business around whether or did that did that idea come later

it definitely came later when I was in the military it was a big problem I never thought that it's something that I can do something about I didn't know that you know I wanted to start a business and I was looking for a really big problem and only later when I moved to Boston and did my MBA at Harvard this is where I kind of like started to research together with my other two friends you know this problem that we really care about how big is it


people have done about it and only then we made a decision to you know go after it

okay let's talk about the problem what what is the problem whether I mean we most of us have act apps in our phones or and they're even more sophisticated weather apps and we can find out what's what the weather's going to be like with with relatively good precision but that's not actually the case everywhere around the world

so first of all it's not the case everywhere around the world but I felt that the kind of accuracy of the weather forecast that I had for my emissions wasn't good enough I also saw that the way I was making decisions either in the copy or outside of it when I was managing operations I didn't have the right tools to help me make decisions at scale and we actually realized that climate change is going to make whether I'm much more important problem to go after because weather events simply become more volatile island more frequent any given year in any given geography

and more unpredictable

exactly so of course that once you go outside of it of the of the USA man and and and you know the west let's call it the problem becomes even bigger so let's start with that climate change means that weather is going to become a much bigger problem and now what do you do about it so that's one layer of the problem

okay and and personally this other layer of the problem is is that our technology or the technology that that is currently in place in most places around the world is not equipped to provide that rapid weather data right now

so before that it's not about you know whether the technology is equipped or not equipped I would say the following first of all when we think of the problem of we're going to have more hurricanes more heat waves more typhoons more wild fires


now the question is what do you do about it I firmly believe and I'm very excited about decarbonisation programmes and how do we get to that zero

but even

even if we're in a very successful in doing that the climate has already changed


already break records now what we're saying is that you need to put systems in place and start managing that trees just like you manage your cyber security risk okay you if you don't imagine a tech company not protecting its servers with a software solution and and that's the first thing we realized we have to build a solution that helps organizations either businesses or governmental manage the trees that that solution that we didn't have as military officers

right all right so let's let's kind of talk about some scenarios here we obviously know that the climate is changing and and it will become much much more volatile the next decades we will before you start to see it but what will essentially what that means is that supply chains have already been affected will be affected even further right because rough seas means containerships may not be able to cross oceans hurricanes huge storms may mean that aircraft may not you know may not be able to land that either humans may not be able to be outdoors workers may not be able to construct buildings right I'm all all these kinds of scenarios are very real and they will be more frequent

absolutely and you know any any kind of organization has assets it can be people it can be constant assets like buildings or infrastructure and it can be dynamic and moving assets like trucks or ships or aircraft and you want to make sure that you can optimize the operational efficiency of your business wild weather becomes more Valentine's widely challenges your operations so I I I think that what we are trying to do is to make sure that you have the right to to make the right decisions at the right time for example re route because that specific area of the trees so getting the right recommendation at the right time the second thing is to make sure that the recommendation that you get is actually based on an accurate forecast right so the technology of forecasting weather really becomes important in order to enable the decision making process what we called the weather intelligence

all right well let me let me try to understand how you decide to tackle this problem because I know that you you you went to business school at Harvard and in with two two friends of yours from Israel who read M. I. T. decided to launch this business which became tomorrow dot I. L. and the idea of course is to provide super accurate to the minute to the second weather forecasts in a been a micro local way to anyone and anywhere around the world but but why wasn't that available already what what was the innovation that you were able to offer that wasn't being utilized in what was it was a technological solution presumably the state is there so what was it that you were able to do to get even better data

for sure so when you think of weathered forecast accuracy let's first understand how weather forecast is generated you basically need three components the first is observations like bright weather stations radar satellites they help you understand what's happening in the atmosphere in real time whether it's raining here or there what's happening now


the second thing you need is a model a set of equations into which you assimilate the observations you take the inputs what's happening in real time you plug it into a model and then the third thing you need is a computing power to process the model the output of the model is what we know as weather forecast

which we see on the news or we get on our apps or whatever

exactly now what we learned when we started to understand to explore you know why the weather forecast is not as accurate as we wanted it to be why is it not as good in the entire world like it is in the U. S. we learned that the technology forecasting weather is leading M. done by government agencies and we were shocked by that because as folks who came from the military


almost couldn't find examples for technologies that were actually created by government agencies even in space you know NASA started to work more and more with SpaceX and other companies in the last few years and imagine you had to rely on a government agency to develop coping nineteen sixteen where we would have been at this point so we understood that we can do it

in house

in a proprietary way in a way that will help us innovate faster develop faster and do it better in order to solve not only public safety but also business problems now we were pretty naive in the beginning because we didn't understand to be completely honest how difficult it's going to be to go after it so we didn't start with everything from the beginning you know with the observations and the the modeling in the computing power all the way to the software that gives a recommendation for action we started somewhere but I think what's really helped us was to I understand that we want to fall in love with the problem and not with a specific solution to the problem was how do we help countries and businesses better manage their weather and climate related challenges as the climate of the world in the weather in the world becomes crazier

we're gonna take a short break we come back more from Shimon house company tomorrow is working to weather forecasting around stay with us I'm guy rise this lack how I built this we love to tell stories of entrepreneurs and maybe even inspire some of you to start or grow your own business the great thing about Shopify is it's an all in one commerce platform that makes it simple for anyone to start run or grow a successful business Shopify has all the sales channels sorted so your business keeps growing from an in person POS system

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guys are capturing the data that you can access to better predict local weather had it explained that there were some this is like data from like traffic cameras and traffic lights and in cars and and and cell towers like tell me how your how that works

so when we started the obviously you know we couldn't raise a lot of money when we approached investors they were like okay climate change why would I even bother talking about it it takes much more than the software to solve it so we look for cost effective ways to improve the observation beneath the fencing M. we came up with an approach that we cold weather of things which is you know like the internet of things as you said the idea is that you can tap into all kinds of devices and a generate valuable weather information from them like I O. T. devices or connected vehicles where you can tell from the wipers if it's raining or from the sensor LOL the temperature sensor on the car if the temperature externally all the way to extracting signals from cellular towers and understanding if it's raining in a specific location but very fast we realize that okay if we just work on a technology that helps us describe what's happening in real time it doesn't help the customer to customer needs to understand what's going to happen so we moved into models and then when we gave customers more accurate forecast we understood that customers generally have the problem of how to make decisions at scale and if you just give them raw data if it even if it's a forecast it's not enough so we moved into whether intelligence software that gives business recommendations today I must say we're going to space to improve observations because the weather of things approach is super cool super geeky but it's limited to be completely honest you don't have the vices over the ocean you don't have access to devices in every country and on and on and on

so all right so the problem is you can't get that information over oceans because the oceans are vast and we don't have massive networks of of cars and roads on an ocean stick together that information so to do to get bad information you need satellites

so I would say the following to help customers make better decisions you need to give them reliable insights and to give reliable insights you have to have reliable and accurate forecast behind it and I think that over the last few years what we learnt that were pretty much limited in terms of how much further we can improve the forecast accuracy by the inputs to the models because again as you mentioned you don't have good enough coverage over the oceans you don't have many sensors in Latin America and Africa in India in many places in the world and I would say that the most important not just me saying that actually most of the agencies actually believe that the most important sensor to drive real time and forecast accuracy is weather radar we all see weather radars daily on TV on our apps radars help us understand where it's raining in real time how the atmosphere looks like the cloud formation and whatnot and what we learned is that over five billion people live outside of radar coverage and I can go on and on of the consequences of what's happening when you don't have a radar coverage well beyond that the oceans do not have radar coverage so every time a really important weather phenomena like tropical storm like hurricane or cyclone or typhoon is evolving we don't really have a good grasp of it so in the US for example we fly airplanes the government flies airplanes over the eye of the storm with the radar scan it and send it back to the models so we can understand just gonna be category one two or three and whether we need to evacuate Miami or Tampa obviously it's not as efficient as we wanted to be one of money toward already came from the inception twenty four seven in real time so and rest assured by the way nobody's flying anything over the phone or cyclone in the east right so it's a big big big problem that lack of of sensor coverages specifically radar creates significant issues with weather forecasting and climate resiliency and that's the problem the biggest problem we're going after today and it's part of the the entire problem of how do we help customers you know manage their challenges

so let's have a hurricane Ian for a moment right that that just hit Florida I mean the the path of the storm the intensity of the storm that was pretty well predicted right so what what would you have offered like what is your technology offer that for example didn't wasn't already made available in that case

yes so without getting into specifically or can end because you know it's arguable whether it was accurate enough for decision makers to evacuate on time or not I think it is treaty agreed upon the scientific community that if we had good monitoring of hurricanes as they evolve all the way to hitting the mainland


with the radars then the forecast accuracy meaning the output of the models would have been much more reliable are we would have known the track with more confidence so it may sound a it's good enough we knew approximately where is it going but with the national hurricane center needs to provide attractive and decision makers have to decide whether to evacuate the city even five percent improvement is a law


think about also all the derivatives of it all the insurance and reinsurance companies behind it and FEMA and then I can go on and on and as I said you're talking about the U. S. where the situation is relatively good from a technology perspective let's try to think about the problem globally it's worse way way worse elsewhere so how do you solve it obviously from the ground up it's impossible you can deploy radar over the ocean geopolitically it's very difficult to to do that in other countries and also it is very expensive to do it from the ground up so we said you know we have to start looking if we can do it from space and in the beginning we didn't want to do it alone you know we're a software company we raised money from investors to build the software business


so we went to partners you know from government agencies to a big defense companies in space companies to start ups and we asked companies Hey this is the specter looking for because we want to cover the world


with active radars can you build it and everybody said no it's not possible

it's not possible to build radars

it's not possible to delete it and the cost that you're looking for


and in the size and in the time line that you're aiming for

so here's my question there are thousands and thousands of low earth orbiting satellites right not all of them are weather satellites obviously but you know internet satellites and all all kinds of


satellites but presumably some of them are whether a lot of them are weather satellites couldn't you just buy data from existing satellites that are lower toward it

first of all yes


most of these data is available for us but the state does not necessarily valuable just being in space with a satellite is not very useful

not excited

yeah yeah what is the sense or that you have on that side I see and none of them has a radar that is designed to describe the atmosphere we have imagery satellites we have infrared satellites that are blocked by the talk of the clouds for example they don't write you through and we also have sar satellites that are actually equipped with radars but these radars are designed to describe the ground very accurately any good nor the atmosphere our radars are supposed to do the opposite they supposed to ignore to ground and basically describe very accurately the entire atmosphere

all right so in twenty twenty three my understanding is your plan is to launch about thirty satellites equipped with these radar sensors and that that's the plan right now right

yeah we're launching about thirty satellites starting Q. one of twenty twenty three at the launch of the will take throughout twenty twenty four as well and we're launching a company at it's actually a constellation


two type of sensors one is active radar as the second type of sensor is the Mike right sounder and both of them should be very very complimentary to each other and together create a real time picture of the atmosphere precipitation help us drive short term prediction on a minute by minute basis in different locations in the world any prove the forecast in the next day to three

and thirty satellites can comprehensively cover the planet

in a review the trade of about less than an hour yes

an hour while and and how much does each one cost roughly

so the cluster changes from one satellite to the outer depending on on the two type of sensors I I just mentioned it also goes down over time the first ones are a bit more expensive but when we look at the entire constellation cost and to and including the launches were looking it's roughly a hundred million dollars

so how how much money have you raised if I've seen that you raise our last round of seventy seven million dollars total in total how much have you raced

raised north of two hundred and fifty million dollars until today

and that's enough to to okay I mean it's a lot of money but still what you're doing is very expensive right the bill this the software to help the satellites to launch them to maintain them and that can that money can finance all of this

it can find us most of it yeah at this point in time given that the technology maturity and the time line I don't think that funding will be an issue but you know we worry we live in a crazy world I didn't imagine starting a company that I will have to deal with so many micro situations and from managing a business that sold mostly to airlines and sports leagues entering up and then make all the way to the inflation and the market crash and you know canceling and IPO and whatever so you know it's it's definitely what keeps me up at night at night as as the CEO how do you keep running the business and not running out of money but we're pretty well funded you

you mention the IPO you you were going to go public by S. back and you in the end decided not to do that that could've raised tons of money right if you went public and and people value that stock but I guess given the market conditions you decide it was too risky to do that down you be with true that that decision

yeah I think it was the right call we made a call line early in twenty twenty two if we did it you know in twenty twenty one we would probably be able to raise that money which is really why we wanted to go after it the significant amount of cash would have enabled us to go after the full business plan but the micro changed and I think we were looking very clearly into the future and understood that it's just the beginning and unfortunately we were writes the cycle is going to be pretty long so it was a good call for the company eventually

I know that you're you know this is right now you are focused on governments and you know large logistics companies right I think you're already working with some air lines in the NFL for example because right I mean if if they can know that there's going to be a you know a microburst over their stadium then they're not gonna be able to play the game or maybe they you know they they evacuate the stadium give me a sense once the satellites are deployed what is it can actually mean like will me as a consumer you as a consumer actually begin to see the results of our you know what what this can do

yes so the answer is depending on where in the world in most of the world it's going to create a binary improvement what do I mean by that you go south of the border to Mexico believe it or not it's pretty challenging to understand what's happening in real time if it's raining or not in Mexico City as an example all the way to Argentina same for Africa India and and large portions of of Asia and of course over the oceans as you as you sail so we're talking about binary improvement in real time not even forecasting in the U. S. of course extreme weather events the forecast for hurricanes will be much better talking about the Santa Ana winds and wildfire so these winds where do they come from they come usually from the Pacific and the Pacific is not money toward so once you have better coverage of the Pacific the entire west coast forecast accuracy will get better for our customers the insights and the forecast improvement will be seamlessly updated because we already run the models the models already feed the software the only thing we're going to do is to feed the models with additional data sets that will come from space as it becomes life so this is what we should expect an end of course yes we're very much focused on enterprise and government customers but we actually do have a consumer app so those who uses our app will benefit from it our app is not very popular because you know we're fighting you each brands and don't necessarily have a technology they mostly repackage the government forecast

right they don't

tron more those from the ground up they don't create sensing technology that dramatically and fundamentally improved weather forecasting accuracy and by the way the opportunity that we saw when we started the company was you know if if people already do that it's not interesting but if everybody's just repackaging the forecast of the government and we have the opportunity to be the leading company of of privatizing these then we should be there

yeah you're essentially you're sentencing okay the government data is good in the developed world and but we're gonna make it better and then obviously much better in the developing world parts of the world but they don't even have you have decent data

yeah serve the underserved and the under served and and of course help in the developed world where you know extreme weather events are going to be much more challenging and trust me you know sixty minutes precipitation using the same radar is that the government is providing to everyone this is not what's going to move the needle on on climate related challenges and and that's what we're trying to focus

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I believe so yes today you can do it pretty well in the U. S. let's say for the next sixty minutes sure we're actually working on on getting it better and better I believe we got it better than other players will use the existing radars of the government this is a pretty simple modeling versus you know the next day or two which were focused on as as well but I believe that with the kind of constellation that we're putting in in space and the kind of products were working on this capability will be available globally not even in a decade and let's say three to four years Max

and are you building the satellites in the house or you contracting with another partner

so without getting too much into the details we obviously have vendors that support us in building the satellites but I'll we definitely own the I. P. we designed the payload with design thing our mission and we use contractors to help us in doing things that we don't want to do for example the bus the shield of the satellite itself there's nothing innovative about it it's more than just a

metal box

yeah but it has to feed the size and the skills and the capabilities of our specific payload and mission so it's not it's not a walk in the park but it's just not where we need to invest our resources other people did it better than us and five years ago we couldn't have done it so I think also the timing for what we're doing is is is perfect from that perspective

when is the first satellite launch scheduled to happen

our Q. one of twenty twenty three most likely February

in in Florida


and will you be there personally


and you're gonna be like white knuckled nervous that day those few days I'm sure it works

you know I have a great team of really really talented people that are so much smarter than me they're gonna be nervous but what can I do you know I have no control over it so I'm just gonna enjoy the show and hopefully it will work out well

and how quickly after that satellite is deployed will it begin to provide data

immediately we're doing everything in our power to make sure that the entire data data pipeline the modeling capability to ingest it is ready to go we actually work with several labs that know what do to start working on the ability to consume this data for their own operational products so we don't want to be in a situation where there's a satellite in space and the data is not used

let let me ask you just from your from sort of your perspective as a if somebody obviously his steeped in this field given that we know what we're talking about extreme mass of extreme weather events already happening and you look to your right look at Europe to some looking at states this summer probably where you are in Israel there was extreme heat I can't imagine being a construction worker building a building in in Dubai in the middle of the summer how is that gonna happen what do you match it is gonna work you will have to happen in order for economies to continue to function

so I think the world has to wake up and start thinking about climate technology and investors and entrepreneurs should start investing their money and time in going after climate related solutions crop climate related solutions can focus on either climate mitigation which is how do we get to net zero and prevent the trend from from you know keep accelerating and getting worse and trying to prevent that from happening and the other pieces climate adaptation which is you know the train has left the station it's already getting warmer and warmer crazier and crazier how do we adapt to that we are definitely falling in this second bucket of adjusting to this new reality by having more accurate a forecast of these these events and providing the solution that helps you make those decisions at scale but I think there are so many opportunities for innovators to come up with solutions that will move the needle I will say that it wasn't easy to raise money for such a business it was actually pretty painful and for me it was I don't wanna say insulting or offensive but it was pretty sad to see you know dog walking apps raising three hundred million dollars when you present a business idea to investors saying Hey I'm going to improve weather forecasting dramatically in the world it's going to cost a hundred million dollars and they're like but it's not software only or

that climate change is is is not yet here I think when covert started started to realize that those big threats that were all worried about them find the movies it can actually happen and and I think now we're starting to see people taking this much more seriously it wasn't like that in twenty sixteen when we started

I mean I'm surprised in part because I mean obviously there's a mission behind this is to help you know help governments better predict climate catastrophes Millikan country like Bangladesh Pakistan recently massive flash flooding that killed thousands of people


but obviously there is a marked I mean there is a market opportunity here if if this technology doesn't exist if the data isn't available and you can make it available within resume interesting from an investor perspective people will pay for it

absolutely the market exists however to build a solution that can actually address this market need it we're talking about deep technology let's just look at landmark

and it's expensive

it's expensive and it takes time look at what we're doing you know we have one are in the group building satellite constellation another are in the group is building whether more than from the ground up and the third are in the group is just building an amazing modern sass software solution these are like three different companies in one so investors usually look for the you know highest return in the shortest amount of time they look for templates and and they look to check all the boxes of things that worked well and if they go outside of these boxes then they're taking another risk so it's not that the investors do not believe in the problem or that they do not think that what we're doing is is valuable but most investors unfortunately don't have the ability to take these huge risks because we could have failed a hundred times throwaway it takes a significant the level of execution

so how much I mean your business you've got it you got investors you gotta bring a returning but how much of your data are you gonna make available for free you know if you know that you know fire and brimstone is coming to a certain part of the world and they haven't signed up and not subscribers I mean I'm assuming gonna make that information available

first of all you can go and download our app today and get an API key and use our products for free today anyone can do that once you start using it for commercial purposes this is where


subscription plans but the average individual that has the need can use it anywhere today already and and through our nonprofit tomorrow now dot org we're hoping to bring support again because we are a for profit business we can invest too many resources and things that do not derive income for us but our nonprofit was created by us in order to identify places where customers cannot afford the solution but the need is huge and and it started with a big focus on Africa actually we got amazing partners that support us the biggest one is the the bill and Melinda gates foundation that support our nonprofit and I believe that over the next year you're going to hear about more and more projects that create high impact in places where people cannot afford it I am cope twenty seven which is happening in Sharma's second in Egypt in November we're going to discuss some of these initiatives

so essentially we know that that we've done quite a bit of this on the show we know that that even if we start to go to to to net zero carbon we kind of pull tons of carbon out of the atmosphere to to stay under the the one point five degrees centigrade it can be really hard and they will still be effects of climate change what you're saying is and I think I think we pride most people agree it's happening we're probably not gonna hit those goals we need to keep trying to but in the meantime we to be prepared to live with what will be coming our way

absolutely and by the way even if we're successful which I really really hope we will be in the carbonization we see the impact in fifty years but in this hurricane season we're already getting hit harder and harder the impact of climate adaptation and adjusting to this new reality is about things we can do today that will generate impact today we need to address it because we're going to face different problems that we didn't even think about not just wild fires and hurricanes we're talking about hunger food crisis as a result of this crazy weather regimes that were saying global now if you can give a farmer in Kenya if you can give them the right information and insight in the right time about when to harvest went to irrigate so they can improve their lives then the impact that you can create today is huge if you do it at scale with a modern technology with a modern software then you can actually mitigate the impact of climate change by a lot

Shimon thanks so much


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