The Candace Owens Show: Carol Swain - Transcripts

February 21, 2021

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The Left has created a slew of terms such as “white guilt” and “white privilege” to collectively judge Americans by race. So is there actually systemic racism in our country? Carol Swain, Former Professor of Political Science and host of Be the People Podcast, and Candace Owens discuss.


The inconvenient history of the Democratic Party was the first one that has 27/27 and I abused. I loved that video.

All right, okay, ladies and gentlemen, we are rolling into another episode of the Candace Owens show and one that I am so

honored to be

hosting because I know a lot of you guys have followed my political journey um and it was very hard for me in being a black conservative to find a lot of black conservative voices that were strong in the media thankfully for me. I stumbled across a Prager University video that was titled The inconvenient Truth of the Democratic Party. Um, and it really, really sent me down a path of wanting to be on the side of facts and really learning um, the truth about a lot of things that I had gotten wrong. Thanks to a public education system which seeks to mis educate students rather than to educate them. So I am absolutely honored to be hosting Dr carol Swain. Dr carol Swain is the former professor of Vanderbilt University, a former tenured professor of Princeton University. Dr carol Swain, welcome to the canvas island show. Thank you so much.

I'm so excited. Thank you

for stopping in. You have a most incredible story and there are a lot of points in your story that kind of intersect with my personal story. My family's story rather. So I really want to start with just who you are as a human being, right where it starts in your youth because you did not have a very easy upbringing. So, can you just start with where you're from and how you were raised?

Well, first of all I want to start with the fact that I was shy most of my life and people look at me today and they think, oh no, you know, because once I started talking, I never shut up. But um I was born in the rural south in southwestern Virginia. And for part of my life I lived in a two room shack with at that time about nine of my siblings and my mother and stepfather and the kind of poverty I experienced was nothing like the people today who say they're poor, which means maybe they have one car and uh maybe they don't have a tv in every room. But it's nothing like the kind of poverty where you don't have clothes to wear to school that's suitable for the weather. And I tell the story of one year I um failed school along with all of my siblings because it snowed heavily that winter and we missed 80 of 180 school days and so the whole family failed. Now what do you

mean by that, that you didn't have a coat to wear out the door?

Well mostly it was the snow was deep and we did not have any boots snowshoes. And so we stayed home until the snow melted

wow. And you said a two room shack. Nine brothers, No indoor

plumbing and a few years ago I went back to the house with a reporter and it was still standing, you know, part of it was still standing. And um, the house had not drywall but cardboard, uh, and wall paper over top of the cardboard. It had a tin roof. And then on the outside it had something that we used to call tar paper, it looks like brick and it's something that if you light it, it burns, you know, very, very quickly. It's a great fire starter that was on the outside of the house,

wow. And your parents, what was their upbringing?

Well, my mother, I mean, she had, I mean she had a father and mother intact family. Um, but she married my father, they divorced when I was so young. I don't remember when they lived together, I had a stepfather And my mother finished the 10th grade. My father had a third grade education and my stepfather had no education,

wow. Okay, because that's a very important piece of this. So

your mother didn't

finish high school and you're, she had a third grade education. Was that your father,

My mother had a maybe a 10th grade education, but my mother is very bright. She could have gone to college and in fact, in her old age now she's 90, she lives with me. Uh, at one point, she told me all about her college and the red car she had and all of these things that she probably dreamed of having at some point. But in her mind she had those things. And uh but my father had a third grade education was always a hard worker. But I was a teen before I got to know him really well, but I did get to know him and I was able to take him to Washington D. C. To the Smithsonian. And during the time I was on the faculty at Princeton, I took him to new york into Princeton. And so he got to enjoy some of my success.

So your journey to becoming a doctor carol Swain, It would imply that you finished high school right away, but you didn't finish high school right away, is that correct?

I didn't. And uh and the thing about me and my siblings, we all finished, we all dropped out of school After completing the 8th grade. For some reason we made it to the 8th grade, everyone dropped out. And for myself, I married at 16. I had my first child at 17. And when I got married at 16 I was not pregnant. It was important to me even then uh, to be married when I had my child. And you know, maybe it was, you know, it was a different era, but that was important to me. And so I had my first child at 17. By the time I was 20 I had three small Children and I ended up part of my story. I tell some time. Is that doing that time in my life?

I suffered from depression. I do suicide gestures, which meant I would um go through the medicine cabinet, I would take bottles of pills and you know, I should have been should have died of all of that. Except God had a plan for my life. You know, that was bigger than me. There's no way I would have known that I had a future that would include college and who I am today. But I struggled deeply. But after one of those suicide gestures and I will call them suicide gestures because um, I always made sure I was rescued. And I said, don't try that. It may not always work. You may not get rescued, but I would call it a suicide gesture. That's what the doctors called it. And that was a my position was an intern.

And he told me I was intelligent, I was attractive, I could do more with my life and I had forgotten that when I was in school, that I did really well. What do

you think now that you're you can look at things in the retrospect, which adds so much clarity to a lot of the actions and the feelings that we had. What do you think was actually leading to that that that that unhappiness, these suicide gestures, just looking for a way out. What do

you think was leading to as a child? I never felt that I fit in and I didn't feel like I fit in with my family and I was very, very shy. I would, my mother said I used to hide behind furniture and I peer out and I can remember being so shy or so afraid that I would literally forget how to speak and I would want something, I might be hungry, I might win water, I might want something. And I was like frozen. And uh, you heard that expression, Cat got your tongue. Uh, that's what it was like for me. And it was like, so I, I did not have voice as a child and I don't know whether it was fear. I don't know what held me back, but I didn't fit in. But I always had a sense there's something I'm supposed to do and my mother said I was more serious than any of her other Children and that the things that came out of my mouth did not appear to come from a child and always had a sense that my mother was afraid of me, a precocious

child. I

was quiet, but she, uh, and then sometimes I would challenge my mother. My mother was an alcoholic and uh, and so I was always challenging her about being a better mother as

you were a child. Yeah. You know, that's really funny because my parents always tell me stories and I was super precocious

and they think I was an

alien because they, before I could speak, they thought that I could understand them and I would be standing at the crib watching them speak back and forth. So there may have been something to it.

Let me tell you. I felt like an alien dropped from out of space and my mother said I would sometimes be in a corner and I would be drawing or doing something like that and I will be holding the paper up and she felt like that I was as if I was interacting with someone and so there were reasons to be afraid of me. There you

go. Yeah, kids, especially when they're quiet and they do weird stuff. It's the most terrifying thing and there's a lot of scary movies about that. Um, but I'm interested in that struggle. Uh, and because I talk a lot about having a similar struggle and I don't think I went so far as to make suicide gestures, but that sense of purpose that you're talking about right and, and, and maybe and and please correct me if I'm wrong. But this period of, of sadness or depression or whatever, let you decide jesters could it have been attributed to the fact that you felt that you weren't living your life as you should have been living.

Let me tell you what I believe now and I had a christian conversion experience late in my life between the time I was leaving Princeton and I accepted the job at Vanderbilt and I was going through a spiritual journey then, that took me through New Age eastern religions, a whole bunch of places. So, I was on my journey when I accepted the position. But then I became a devout believer. And when I go back to my life and look at it through the spiritual lens, I had all this purpose, I had all this destiny, had all these things. And I always felt like there was something I was supposed to do. I had this sense of urgency, yet I was trapped. I was trapped in a bad marriage. Um, uh, and I think that my life didn't line up with the destiny that God had for me, and that's part of what was going on. But I also believe, and, you know, this may weird out some of your secular humanists uh supporters, but I believe that when there is a call on your life and you have destiny, that there's a struggle like joseph Campbell, uh, the hero's journey, I think that there's always struggle and that makes you who you are and that you have to overcome all of these things, and that's part of life. But I do believe that there's a call on your life, You call for greatness. They're all these forces that are trying to destroy you and you have to overcome all of these demons. That's what I

was going to ask you. I was going to ask you, uh, do you think now that we have, that we live in a climate where people are trying to keep others in a struggle like that there that people see that, that it's advantageous to keep people in that struggle and not fighting to sort of break away and become what they were destined to become. I guess a better question would be, do you think every individual has a destiny?

Oh, I do, I do. And I think that, um, no matter what your situation is, that in the end, I just believe that people come into your life, like I became a divided christian believer late in my life. But I can tell you along the way that individuals came into my life that encouraged me and pushed me. There's no way I would have gone into academia or become a university professor. I didn't know any professors. Uh, I started college because I wanted a better job and I wanted to be able to support myself without a man's income because I've been in bad marriage. Um, uh, in fact, I've been married twice, twice in bad marital situations, one very abusive. Um, and I wanted the independence, the financial independence. And so even though I'm very creative and I wanted to do art and that one blue blue ribbons as a student, I was told to be practical and so I did business and that was much more difficult because math was harder without the high school background. Uh And then for the four year degree and this is something that you know that I don't talk much about, but okay, the four year degree, I chose criminal justice because it had the least amount of math. But also I knew that I was good in anything that was not so quantitative And I made a decision that I was going to be an honest student. I was working at the Community College Library, Virginia Western, full time, 40 hours a week, nights and weekends.

I checked out books, I purchased books on how to make a sin college, how to take essay exams how did take objective to have subjective questions And I ended up graduating. Magna Cum Laude, who are working 40 hours a week at the Community College Library. And as I was graduating with the Criminal justice degree, had, had was in the highest honor society and later inducted into phi beta kappa. Uh I could have ended my education there, but I decided at the time that I was going to work for the government and that I needed a master's degree. And while I was getting the Masters degree in college, the professors took an interest in me because I was talented, they encouraged me to get a PhD, I was not interested. I kept applying for jobs. And even though I was an honor student, known all over the city had started getting media attention, I could not get a job. And this was the era of affirmative action. This was the 1980s when affirmative action, an honest student, all of this stuff and I presented, well, I could not get a job. And so the way I would interpret that now is that God had a plan for my life. People steered me towards academia I was shy, I could not imagine myself teaching and my image of a teacher is someone that goes to the blackboard, you know, and all this flare and they write all these things and I was so shy that I, you know, just the whole idea. I didn't like my handwriting of turning my back to a class where people might be laughing and making fun of me and all this stuff.

It was not my idea of how I wanted to live, but I got steered into academia. My professors um told me what I needed to do to be successful. I always mentor it well and I always sought the people that were doing what I wanted to do, the ones that were doing it well. And so when they told me what I needed to do to be successful in political science, you need to write articles, you need to have creative ideas, you need to give conference papers, I did everything they told me to do and by the time I was graduating, um I was known across the country, I ended up with my own short list and I got a signing bonus from Princeton and from every school except one university of michigan did not make an offer to me, but by the time I interviewed there, I had four or five offers anyway and they knew I wasn't going to michigan. There you go. And so your story is

one of remarkable hard work. Uh, and and kind of getting into the driver's seat of your own life because it could have gone a different way for you. Obviously with the, with the upbringing that you had and typically now, especially in society, these are now, these are excuses. You could have said I grew up poor, I have parents that didn't have high school degrees. I'm black society, you know, coming up in a society as a black woman and yet you instead were at the library checking out books, working really hard to get where you are today. So let me ask you a question, How have things changed because you have an interesting story where you got to go through the system and get rewarded based off of your hard work. And um then you got to teach in the school systems and when did you, when did you stop teaching? How many years ago?

Just two or 33 years ago. So you're,

you're seeing a very, I would imagine and correct me if I'm wrong, drastically

different and I stopped teaching. You

never stop teaching world is my classroom teaching right now have

millions of pregnant,


student world of my classroom, but I want to say something else. Um how is different? Yeah. When I started my four year college, which is Ronald College in Salem Virginia, uh there were probably about 20 some blacks and a lot of them were only basketball team, but the black students met me and they were very well meaning, but they told me who all the racist professors were to avoid and my personality is such. Those are the ones I signed up for. Uh the person that was my advisor, he was one of the ones that was supposed to be the racist professor. And he did tell me uh during the orientation period not to expect to do as well in his class at Ronald College, as I had done in the past, because Ronald College was a really hard school. And to me that was like throwing the gauntlet down. And so I ended up getting a B plus in the first class I took with him. And in my mind I probably made an eight miners, but I felt like he was a professor that wasn't gonna give an a on the first time. And then every class I took with him after that I met an A. And so all through my college, I would be met by black students who told me which professors to take and which ones were racist, always took, the ones they said were racist and they turned out to be conservatives, and because of that, I was exposed to literature and ideas and thoughts that I don't think I would have gotten the same education that if I had followed the other students, I might be a Marxist might right now.


Yeah. That's interesting that you say that because that's very much like thomas, so sorry, as a Marxist, right? Um, and I think that's because a lot of times in these classes, and it's not just towards black americans, you can always find some is. Um, and some reason, uh, they tell you that your left hand and you can't now it's there's feminism, there's racism, there's, you

know, just right when I got to graduate school until they stir it. That was when, uh, all the mentors I had had before, and a lot of them were white, a lot of them were white men, they were older, but everyone treated me like I could do anything and I felt like I could do anything, but when I got to graduate school and I took a course and, you know, it just happens to be, was started by a white female, uh, was very liberal. I remember her screaming at me one day, you'll never be able to change the fact that you're a black woman. I don't know what I said in that class or what I did, that caused her to scream at me like that. But uh the message was that, you know, you're black, you're handicapped and there's nothing you can do about it. You're a black woman. But it was graduate school and the theories of oppression was when I learned, I'm you're poor, you're black. You, you know, you have Children, uh, you're female, you're oppressed. And by then I was already successful. It was too late. But had I gotten those messages as an undergraduate, I'm just not sure if I would have, how would have dealt with it. But then my personality is such that I sought out the professors that was supposed to be against me because I was going to show them right

and there you go. And I think it's interesting that you say that you're not sure had those ideas and lessons came earlier in life how you would have turned out because I think what we're seeing today, there is um there's this remarkable culture of victimhood. Uh, and it's like I said, it could be because you're a homosexual because you're a woman because you're black. Um everyone is sort of clamoring to be a victim and starting really young, we

heard something I find very interesting and if being black is so bad in the society, why so many white people trying to be black. And when I was teaching as professor, we knew, we talked about ethnic fraud. We knew that there were people that were not racial and ethnic minorities that were checking the affirmative action box passing as minorities. So it was so bad to be black or so bad to be a minority. Why were they trying to pass? You know, back in the slave days and during the Jim Crow days, you had black people that passed that they were light enough into the white world and now you have all these white people that are trying to pass into the black world. That's

interesting about the same thing about, by biracial people that have a platform and they choose to talk about being black and not being white. Like Colin Kaepernick is a great example, right? So he's, he is half white. He was raised by two white parents actually he was adopted fortunately. Um but rather than say anything positive about white people, he has decided to be black to grow in africa and to pick his hair out and if being black is ultimately what leads to oppression, that's not what led to him to have these million dollar deal with Nike right. So it is, it's a very interesting question I asked the same thing as if being black is so bad, Why are so many people choosing it? I

also have to tell you this. So I wear my hair natural and I had this style, but there was a time when I first started doing media that I wear weaves and I were wigs and I did all this stuff and I reached the point that was I going to have hair or not because all that stuff was harm for was taken up my hair. Uh, and so I ended up, I mean as a, I prayed about it. I sat down and I drew what I wanted my hair to look like. And I went to the barbershop instead of a hairstylist where you pay 60 7800 $300 went to the local black barbershop and I asked the guy, could he get that look on me? And so we grew this look, well I've had black people attacked me. How dare you wear your hair in an afro? How dare you, you know, do this? What was the purpose of that? They're saying that I, I guess they want to say that if you're black conservative, you don't like black people, you don't like your blackness, You're not in touch with your blackness. And so it bothers them that I have a natural hairdo as a black conservative. When

did you start getting your blackness question? Because you seem to you think story from poverty? I say this all the time. It's like dr Condoleezza Rice, You know a story from poverty? Um you grew up in a two a two room shack. Uh didn't have plumbing, is that correct? You said earlier? I didn't have plumbing. Uh nine brothers and sisters who couldn't get to school with

school didn't have food

Had to Miss 80 classes. Um So at what point in your life did suddenly your blackness start getting questioned.

Can you win the first time when I was at Princeton and I wrote an award winning book. My first book and I was a democrat at the time. It was titled Black Faces Black Interest representation of african americans in Congress. It looked at how well the U. S. Congress represents african americans been cited by the Supreme Court. That was when I started being called a sellout

and what was in the content of the book that you would be called the sellout?

I don't think there's anything in the content of the book, but there were people that were upset because I didn't belong to the black political scientists and I was never acted in black student unions. I was very focused because I had Children very focused on finishing my degrees doing what I had to do. Uh And so I think it had to do with the fact that a lot of people didn't all of a sudden there was this black professor at Princeton where did she come from? Because I didn't go through their ranks. And so that's what I believe was part of why I was being attacked. But I argued in that book that was the political party was more important than the race of the representative. And as long as black steel the views they did they would best be represented by democrats. Consequently it didn't make sense to draw a majority black legislative districts because those districts helped elect more Republicans. And the book was published before the Republicans took over the Congress in 1994. And so I issued a warning, uh, and the next year, you know, 1990 for the Uh, 40 after 40 years, the Republicans took over the Congress. That, um, but I was I made the argument that political party and not race at that time, people were saying that only black people could represent blacks. And my book talked about the trade off between black descriptive representation, having someone that looks like you and black substantive representation, having people who support your ideas,

right? And then that's very interesting that you say that because there is this idea that just because you're black and I'm black, that that means all of our ideas must just be the same and I can go out and represent you and you can represent me or on the flip side of that because we're women. Like it just means that all of my interests must automatically align with yours. And the irony of that is that that there is something fundamentally racist about that, right? Because you're just subscribing all of these characteristics and attributes to somebody based on the color of their skin, their sexual orientation, um, or their or their sex.

But this whole thing like with with joe biden saying, you ain't black if you don't support me and uh you've been called what a black white supremacists have indeed. But I have to tell you before that I was called an Apologist for White supremacy because of a film title of conversation about race that was produced by a white film maker. That question how racism the epithet is used against whites as a weapon. I thought it was a great film because students, we always do the eyes on the prize and there's a host of films about discrimination, but none that told it from the perspective perspective of a white person. And so I highly recommended that film, The Southern poverty Law Center came after me. And part of that coming after me had to do with the fact that maybe three months before that I had written for the Huffington Post and I was writing for them, I had said that they had become a hate group and they have I was the first to say that by the way. Yeah, that's that's yeah, that's what they came after me. And so they in my local newspaper, I'm on the front page with my picture, I'm an apologist for white supremacy. And that was before I had a platform. And so I was harassed and and the people talking about me on the radio or wherever they were talking did not invite me to be on. But James Toronto with the Wall Street Journal wrote An article 2000 word article in defense of Carol Swain and that just sort of shut up everyone for a while, right?

And I get that too, that you're an apologist for white supremacy, which is always foolish because why would anybody want to help create society? They couldn't live in that they couldn't drive him. Um, and, and all of that gets really ridiculous. But have you seen now that, or especially now that attacks have increased? I mean, how do you feel in terms of being a voice that speaks out differently from what people are used to hearing

from black people? Well, first of all, I'm so much older than you that I've gone through a lot and the, I think race relations are probably worse now than they've ever been before. And I also believe that even though blacks are living at a time where there are all these opportunities and advantages, we seem to be going backwards because when colleges and universities start setting up separate dorms or saying that black students, uh, shouldn't be expected to learn standard english, uh, that the standards need to be relaxed. That is very serious. And it's uh, that is white supremacy. They're saying that blacks are inferior. And it bothers me that black people themselves are demanding Lord standards for themselves. They're actually saying that they are less, um, that uh, is very, very disturbing. And I've been attacked and called so many names for so long that I really don't care. And when you're my age, when you're 66 you know, you can say you can do anything and my great hair, you know, like I can get away with, it's probably a lot easier for me than someone young like you. But I am encouraged by what I see in the world because there's an army of young people of all different races and ethnicities that are truly woke and they are the ones that's gonna transform America if it gets transformed. And so I applaud you for your courage being out there and taking the blows because it is difficult.

And if you want people to like you and love you, you know, you're in the wrong line of business, we

say that I'm looking for friends

and there's so many opportunities. I mean, so many temptations for young people, especially those that are people of faith to compromise their values. And uh, yet if they stand and don't compromise their values and I'm talking about whether in regardless of your faith, if you don't compromise your values, there are a lot of other people watching and you empower them when you stand

right, that's exactly right. And um, to go back to your earlier point, I totally agree that we're seeing this totally strange dynamic now where people are being brainwashed to oppress themselves. It's, it's a psychological phenomenon

and the thing about white people, it's like we talk about black people, I think we should talk about white people and the shaming that takes place against white Children and young people in college students. And I would encourage young, you know, white conservatives that on college campuses when they are singled out and they attacked and they're demeaned and when they're ashamed that they should document that and they should file civil rights complaints because the civil rights laws protect whites as well as racial and ethnic minorities. They have the equal protection clause as well as in 1964 Civil Rights Act, but they need to learn how to document discrimination against themselves.

Yeah, I was asked this question, it's so funny you say that, I would say that's the number one question that I get, um from young white students. How can I say anything when every time I speak I'm called a bigot or a white supremacist. And I, and I always say that especially when that's coming from the administration, you guys have to fight. I mean that you can't just take it sitting down and allowed this to happen, because I certainly would never let that happen. I mean what sort of how how does a biracial person flow in this in this society that we're creating of where everyone has to be a victim or an oppressor. They can't. Um and so I would hope and encourage people to find their voices, which you did, and I do want to talk about because you did say you used to be a democrat and when I found you, you had done this incredible video, which has millions and millions millions of views and we'll get more millions of views after this after this airs. But

the inconvenient

truth of the Democratic Party, um what inspired you to create that video? And what was what was your transition from being a democrat to suddenly we're doing a video exposing truths. I guess you started an exposition. It's just the truth, right?

I mean, uh 1999 was when I became a devout believer and that was between the time I had accepted the job at Vanderbilt and before I actually started my job in 2000 And in between I went to Yale and got another degree. I have 5°. And so the fifth degree was in law. And while I was there, I became a devout believer. And as I grew in my faith, I became very uncomfortable with the Democratic Party's platform. And and so my discomfort led me to become an Independent for a number of years. I did not become a Republican until 2009. And this was after President George W. Bush had appointed me to two positions as an independent. He appointed me to the National Endowment for the Humanities and the Tennessee Advisory Committee to the Us Civil Rights Commission. So I had those two political appointments from President Bush and then the the Civil Rights Commission position. Obama renewed it because he had just come on and they hadn't figured out who I was.

And so, uh, it got renewed for a year. But my values, my principles, my faith were a factor in me leaving the Democratic Party, but it was not easy to become a Republican because at that time I believed a lot of what you hear in the news about republicans being racist. And I can tell you, you know, how when a republican makes a mistake and they, uh, say something, they shouldn't say it gets amplified like 100 fold. And so it seemed to me that every time I turned around, you know, some republicans said something that was reported in the news that caused me to, um, to, to back away. And but I still felt that the Republican Party platform was the closest to my values. And one of the things I tried to get George W Bush to do was to have a rose garden ceremony for national apology for slavery where uh, the government itself would apologize for something that blacks, whites and native americans, they all participated in it. They all had slaves.

Uh, and

that it would be like the ceremony of forgiveness. And the way I visualized it was that the government would apologize for having allowed this to continue and that representatives from the various ethnicities would receive the apology. And I never got a response from president Bush. But then later I was told by people in his administration that they seriously considered it. But it didn't happen. And then the democrats, they rush something through congress that they called an apology, but it was not the ceremony of that. I imagine I envisioned where there would be forgiveness and we would put this behind ourselves and with the but the republicans, I decided to become a Republican because I didn't just want to stand in the middle as an independent and I throw rocks at both sides. Um, I decided that I wanted to get into a political party and work for change and for the mighty american strike force. I was there coordinator for black americans. I would reach coordinator and but now it's for college students, I'm not in the same role, but I spent my whole life avoiding identity politics and my image of myself was I don't do black stuff. You know, I'm just me, I'm carol, I'm individualists, I don't do the black stuff, but our society kind of forces you to do it if you want to be heard. And so I've made the decision that I'm I'm willing to do the black stuff so that I can reach more people.

But the world that I envision is a world where we are all americans that, you know, I don't have to be in the black box. And when it comes to my faith, you know, I don't have to be in the christian box, I like to be in this box or that box, I don't like the boxes they put us in. But as far as being able to reach more people and more blacks, uh I'm willing to humble myself and do the identity of politics because the world is structured both political parties in that way deem as mission critical right now.

In terms of what's going on in american society, what do you deem as the most important thing for us to tackle as americans?

Well, I think for the two of us and those that are speaking, you know, we're standing between whites and blacks trying to bring people together, we're sort of being


Uh the destructive thing that's happening is the messages that young black people are being given about our society. Like uh the Smithsonian, I don't know if you remember they had that exhibit where they were saying that if you believed in hard work sexuality and individual initiative and standard english um planning for the future, all the things that have made us successful. They're saying if you believe in success principles that's white and it used to be, you know, if you studied hard and you made a z you were trying to be white now all of a sudden you had a Smithsonian, you have these institutions, you have these colleges and universities sending out the message that everything that makes for success is whiteness and it's bad, that is so destructive.

And the opposite, of course, which is like every everything that, you know, leads to destruction is good somehow, Like, you know, so going back to your point about pushing through ebonics, I think you're hitting that they're trying to push through ebonics as of course to learn because even speaking proper english is attributes of whiteness and something that should be ignored. Um, and also on that list of the Smithsonian was punctuality.

Let me tell you this, I want to get this in on your show. I have reached the conclusion that progressives hate blacks and here's why progress is if you go back, you know, at the turn of the century, they were pushing the eugenics, they were pushing the sterilization, They pushed the abortions through playing uh parenthood, they pushed the funding police knowing that more black people would die because of the crime in their neighborhoods and the victimization rates. They push they protest being out there at the same time, they're saying if you're black, your personal color, the virus loves you and the virus is gonna kill you. They're saying, except when you're protesting, it's okay to be out there. If you really believed the things that they say the o and then shutting down the schools, when you shut down the public schools and say everyone can learn online, who are you hurting the most? Everything that progressives do hurt people of color more than any other group. And so what bothers me the most is that there's so many black people congressional black caucus, black leaders that are cooperating with the destruction of their own people.

Why I get this all the time. Why when I see the interests and the interests

they have always uh there's always been a disjuncture between what the black rank and file believe and with the leaders, the leaders are elites regardless of their race. They push what benefits them and what we need in America. And for the generation of you know, your generation and the people you know behind you even we need statesmen and states women to run for office. People that don't want to be politicians. They're not trying, you know, to become Maxine waters or Uh these people that go into Congress dirt poor and then all of a sudden they have $6 million Christian roots. I think that one reason we were successful, we were the envy of the world is because people had values and principles and it was based in our laws and now you know, we can't even tell the difference between a male and a female and progressives. You see how they use science when it benefits them. They are into science. But then when it comes to the differences between a male and female and uh the D. N. A. And then all of a sudden they don't trust science, right?

But they

trust science in terms of potentially predicting the doom and gloom of climate change in 100 million years from now and it's going to happen and all of this can happen because we can predict the weather somehow years from now, even though we can't predict at the end of this week. Right? But you're exactly right. They abandoned um Science when it comes to very basic concepts that somebody can observe with their own two eyes, which is really interesting. Um And then I'll just ask you why do you think it is removing politics from it? Uh what is a society, how how do we benefit from a society? Um That is perpetually trying to dumb down not just black students, all students. We're seeing kind of The replacement of hard academics learning things that you learned in school with these sort of psychological conditioning programs, learning about white privilege and learning about 26 different genders as opposed to learning mathematics and science. What is what is the ultimate goal and

just why it's all about the Marxism and the critical race theory. One of the things that I hope that your viewers will dig deeply into its critical race theory and I strongly encourage people to read Saul Alinsky's rules for radicals. And when they challenge uh the academic institutions that are discriminating against them, they would be fun in one of those rules. So Lewinsky says, make your enemy live up to his rule book. His rule book is that student handbook and those things the university says it stands for, make them live up to what they say. And I would encourage young people, even though academic academia right now, it's like a cess pool in a way. Uh there's not a lot of real learning going on. There's plenty of indoctrination, but not critical thinking. To be a critical thinker. You have to be exposed to different ideas more than one side. There's very little of that taking place. But I believe that conservative youth can go into colleges universities and get phds and get through.

And that means that some people will be like the two of us, they'll be outspoken and people will know who you are and you will either thrive people like you and your winsome and that you really are intelligent, you know, their arguments as well as your own arguments, you can put it through, you can get through and they're enough classical liberals, You know, they believe in um free speech and the constitution that will support students. But I think there's a place for students that are very um that use a little bit of subterfuge that you don't have to tell everyone what you're thinking. Uh and sometimes, you know, you and I would say, you know, like sometimes during the interviews for medical school, they were asked uh students questions, applicants that's designed to eliminate those, you know, that maybe pro light and I think that they have to use great wisdom and that there's nothing wrong. We don't want to be deceivers like Saul Alinsky was into deception, manipulation. Um and infiltration, I think we should be into infiltration. There should be no place uh that's safe for liberals and that we have to know what they're doing to be able to infiltrate. You have to get into those places and you have to keep your mouth shut at times and realize that we are in a cultural war. And I will argue that the rules of engagement during war are different from other periods of time and in the bible for people that read the bible, people use subterfuge when they needed to use it. And um and so I'm not encouraging people, you know, to lie, but I'm saying you can be strategic, you can get through. And I think that we need conservatives everywhere and we need people that believe in America believe in its constitution have values and principles. So

I think that is so well said. Um and we will end on that note. We wrap every episode by allowing you to leave a two minute face message to the world. Um just whatever is on your heart and what you hope could fall on the years of every single person in the world. So are you ready on your mark? Get set World. I give you Dr Carol Swain.

Hello, welcome to my classroom. The world is my classroom. I'm not at a university, but the world is my classroom and I'm so excited about participating in the Prager U of videos and other efforts and opportunities to educate people doesn't matter. You know, whether your conservative or liberal, hopefully you're exposing yourself to ideas, a wide variety of ideas and that's what a liberal arts education used to mean. And so my hope is that people who listen, you know, to this broadcast that we've said something that will touch your heart. And if you're one of those weird people like me, a canvas that we grew up, we felt like aliens. It's okay to be an alien being an alien means that there's something great that you're gonna do. No one understands you, they're not supposed to know what you're called to do. So you need to hang in there and and watch your life unfold and life is a journey. It took me 40 years to figure out, you know who I am and what I was meant to do, it took me 40 years to get over my shyness, it doesn't have to take you that long. And so that's my message. Be encouraged, be yourself, be strong.

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