The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

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Join intellectual phenomenon Dr. Jordan Peterson and his daughter Mikhaila for enlightening discourse that will change the way you think. This podcast breaks down the dichotomy of life through interviews and lectures that explain how individuals and culture are shaped by values, music, religion, and beyond. It will give you a new perspective and a modern understanding of your creativity, competence, and personality.


Theory of Enchantment | Chloé Valdary Theory of Enchantment | Chloé Valdary
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Narrative, Story, and Writing pt. 1 Narrative, Story, and Writing pt. 1
We use stories to understand the world around us. It’s the reason that we appreciate a beautiful poem, why our breath is taken away during an epic movie, and get transported to another world while reading a great book.  Any great piece of music is a story, with the lyrics used, but also even the instrumental arrangements. It’s hard to argue that any of the great orchestral pieces from Beethoven or Bach don’t tell a complex story, even when no words are used. Stories, and Narrative in general, allow us to play games for fun, construct cooperative relationships in business and in life, and help us successfully navigate the most difficult parts of our lives.  From birth to death, every day of our lives is inundated by story. Part one of this compilation focuses on season 4 conversations between Jordan, Randall Wallace, Chloe Valdery (released soon) and Angus Fletcher. We hope you enjoy this narrative. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit


Free Speech and Cambridge | James Orr & Arif Ahmed Free Speech and Cambridge | James Orr &a...
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Talking with Russians Talking with Russians
As an alternative for those who would rather listen ad-free, sign up for a premium subscription to receive the following: • All JBP Podcast episodes ad-free • Monthly Ask-Me-Anything • Presale access to events • Premium, detailed deep-dive show notes on future episodes. episodes (and the ability to ask questions) Sign up here: Mikhail Avdeev interviews Jordan Peterson in this episode. Jordan Peterson has as strong of an international following as ever with his lectures translated into fourteen languages. On his last speaking tour, he visited thirty plus number of countries speaking on the twelve rules and continues to foster relationships and connections with thinkers, speakers, and fans from around the globe. Shownotes: [00:00] Jordan Petersons is interviewed in this episode by Mikhail Avdeev, a member of his foreign translations team. The interview focuses on the impact of Petersons work beyond the western world on the international community as a whole. They begin the discussion by talking about the forming of the international translation teams. [02:00] The healing effect of Jordan's lectures on people's personal life. The outcry for new material from jordans catalog of books, lectures, and podcasts has been overwhelming.  [05:20] Peterson comments on another personal favorite author of his Mircea Eliade and his history of Religious Ideas. It’s an anthropological and sociological assessment of religion but it’s also deeply psychological. [06:40] How do Russian views respond to Jordan's affinity for Alexander Solzhenitsyn? Mikail details the feelings of the Russian people by their portrayal after the fall of communism. [10:00] How we deal with the guilt of the things our ancestors or society has done is a very difficult question because as humans we are very historical creatures. The best thing for us is to try to understand what happened and therefore try not to do it again in the future because all of us are living with this to some degree. [13:30] examining the trope that all white people are racist or white supremacist and this stems from the existential guilt of history. [20:00] Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and Daniel Dennett seem to equate that religious belief is a set of propositions about the material world, in a way a direct competitor to scientific theory, and that’s just not fully accurate. There is something outside of strictly rationality in the human experience. [34:20] Fragmentation of the value structure necessarily leads to an increased level of constant anxiety in all experience [36:30] What parts of modern society are contributing to the integrity of consciousness, and what things are degrading that. A hatred for real success and striving for personal gain will tear us apart if it continues unchecked. [43:30] There is no doubt that economic exploitation occurs and that some wealth is gained in an unethical manner, but that is not the rule. [45:45] - Asking about the importance of beauty in all of our personal experiences as well as our collective experience as humans. [51:00] interesting to consider the differences in Fyodor Dostoevsky and Friedrich Nietzsche closeness to the ideal of beauty [56:30] The complexity of the language of Beyond Order:12 More Rules for Life. What is Jordan's process for increasing the precision of his speech and writing?  [1:03:30] The divinity of the true word and the way this has been translated through Jordan’s book Beyond Order. Peterson's philosophy behind good writing and text structure of a truly complete work. [1:13:40] Mikhaila Peterson has had to choose to be strong because she has had so much suffering to overcome in her life. It’s wonderful to see her succeeding in her personal endeavors like her weekly podcast. [1:20:15] How do we best teach our children in a way that fosters their individual growth and a love of learning. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit


Evolution & the Challenges of Modern Life | Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying Evolution & the Challenges of Modern...
This episode was recorded on October 5th, 2021. Podcasters and evolutionary biology power-couple Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying join me to discuss a variety of topics related to their new book, A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century. We explore topics like niche-switching, what Darwin got wrong, Twitter, sources for modern values, hyper-novelty, the aftermath of progress, parenthood, and sexual selection – just to name a few. Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying are evolutionary biologists, former Evergreen State College professors, and the current hosts of the DarkHorse podcast. You may also know Bret through Joe Rogan, or as the twice-moderator for Jordan’s debates with Sam Harris. The couple’s book, titled “A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century: Evolution and the Challenges of Modern Life,” asks why the most prosperous age in history has scarcely offset suicide rates, tribal division, loneliness, and human misery. Follow Bret at: And Heather at: The DarkHorse Podcast: A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century: Evolution and the Challenges of Modern Life: ______________ Shownotes ______________ [00:00] Intro [00:30] Guests’ background [01:32] A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century – why they wrote it [04:30] “Values might not be [scientifically] defensible. Taken to the extreme, it might be hard to explain why existing is better than not" - Bret Weinstein [05:07] “We believe that any credible 'ought' needs to be scientifically informed" - BW [05:45] Learning to negotiate hyper-novelty in the modern world. The extremely fast rate of progress and change [06:56] “The amazing rate of change we’ve created is itself deranging us and making it very difficult to understand and remember how to be human” - Heather Heying [08:18] “It's not that progress is bad – the benefit of progress is often tremendous, but it almost always comes with important unintended consequences” - BW [09:26] Our incredible ability to adapt by “niche-switching” [15:41] Unintended consequences & modern sleeping [22:45] Twitter as a giant social experiment; what happens when you can (sort of) communicate with everyone? [25:22] “If people treated each other the way they do on Twitter, they’d get beaten up with enough regularity to stop them. So the net effect [might make us] nicer, right?” - BW [25:47] The importance of nonverbal communication; physical and chemical ways humans communicate [29:57] Small talk, gaging social skills, and nonverbal cues [31:28] “Small talk lets you take a room’s temperature–literally and metaphorically" - Heather Heying [32:35] Objections to evolutionary theory: A critique of some key Darwinian tenets [38:28] Play & Evolution [42:08] Intelligence in mate selection amongst bowerbirds [53:12] How Heather conceptualizes male/female status hierarchies [55:57] Sex, gender, and how they’re linked [01:06:44] The Hero's journey and the importance of new storytelling [01:13:42] The adaptive valley picture in evolutionary biology [01:13:46] “I'm trying to update our understanding of stories rather than the stories themselves" - Jordan Peterson [01:21:29] podcasts & collective listening [01:27:26] Parenting & Children [01:27:46] “Children will destroy your life and replace it with a better one" - BW [01:28:52] Parenting & Relationships [01:30:03] Wrapping up #Biology #Evolution #Gender #Pârenting #Darwin // SPONSORS // For Advertising Inquiries, visit Learn more about your ad choices. Visit


The Problem with Atheism The Problem with Atheism
In this week’s compilation, we explore the idea of what happens when the religious instinct gets brushed aside – and the things that fill that void instead. Things that, depending on who you ask, may be actively contributing to the breakdown of a society founded on the Abrahamic tradition. Nietzsche has his famous God quote, “God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods, simply to appear worthy of it?” The voices in this compilation may be very familiar since some of them are also featured in the Conceptualization of God series. You’re about to hear from the whole spectrum: through Jonathan Pageau and Matthew Petrusek to Stephen Fry and Lawrence Krauss, just to name a few. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit